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The Architect
Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 184
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Hey QD1, in your attempt to jerk around the gullable and the naive - I give you this...
Architecture is pre-existing.
You can quote me on that.
Take care... |
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Misvit
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 42
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| birgco, using your logic, if we assume it is true. Either you are humble, realizing that there is a very low possibility that you are one of the creative geniuses you were talking about, meaning you should know yourself that your post and opinions are worthless. Or, you are not humble and think yourself one of the few priveledged... meaning we common folk don't care about what you have to say and find you annoying, which means posting would waste your time trying to enlighten us. In either case the outcome is the same, don't post anymore. : ) hope this helped. |
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solidred

Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 728 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Deconstructionism "Understanding Thought" |
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| Quick dimension1 wrote: | | As a point of departure for our conversation let us begin with the concept of thought. Thought allows us to experience the cultural and natural phenomenological world; "thought," is what allows us to recreate or supplement the experiences we encounter in life, and we recreate these experiences through art, music, science, and writing. However, the supplements we create become arbitrary, in other words, we repeat what we don’t know; we disseminate various types of media that substitute and talk about the phenomenological world we experience, but in reality, we don’t know why or what the phenomena means. How does one determine the sublimity of each supplement that we fabricate? Do we study the ephemeral phenomena’s, such as the play between the temporal elements? |
Our mental combination of experiences by abstract and re-active operations may indeed reiterate absences in our capacities to comprehend Truth in the ultimate, super-human sense but, then again, by these digestive operations and their subsequent explication in design application, we further embed the human way of seeing in what we produce.
Although these endeavours are, in a deconstructive sense, as flawed as we are (as potentially self-negating), in terms of the hermeneutics of human reality we represent a pretty good fit into our own ignorances, no? |
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birgco
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 302
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Misvit,
please..... don't pride yourself on being obtuse, then urge me not to post anymore. It's more absurd than my post. |
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csintexas millennium club
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 2174 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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darn solidred -hermeneutics?!
I'm having to spend to much time going to the dictionary in this discussion.
What ever happened to good old simple philosophy like: I think therefor I am? _________________ -Chris Stewart
http://bcshdb.blogspot.com >
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solidred

Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 728 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, sorry Chris
I prefer to speak in plain English too, but entering into a discussion prompted by the writings of Derrida is bound to lead to slightly tongue-twisted grammar!!
What I meant, in short, is that we're not perfect but our imperfections of expression are, in a way, suited to our imperfect experiencing of the world. The inevitable gaps and flaws in our systems of thought make life interesting and propel us to explore life more.  |
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Misvit
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 42
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I am not priding myself on being anything, just having conversation, however I will not stand idly by when someone tries to lump me and everyone else, or 99.whatever percent you used as worthless. More over, if anyone tries to tell me my opinion is worthless and that I shouldn't say anything, I will argue otherwise. To put it simply and politely, please refrain from doing such in the future. |
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mx2 millennium club
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 1977 Location: Miami, Florida
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What I meant, in short, is that we're not perfect but our imperfections of expression are, in a way, suited to our imperfect experiencing of the world. The inevitable gaps and flaws in our systems of thought make life interesting and propel us to explore life more. |
In a way solidred, could you be simply saying design is the pursuit of perfection?
mx2.5 _________________ *Art of Architecture: The conscious use of skill and creative imagination in the production of an aesthetic building.
*Science of Architecture: The calculated use of technical skill and knowledge in the construction of a functional building. |
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csintexas millennium club
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 2174 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I don't think I would have made that connection from what solidred said but no doubt that it is somewhat true. (although I take pride in not being a perfectionist) _________________ -Chris Stewart
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birgco
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 302
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Misvit,
you read the first line of my post and decided you would be offended. Read the second paragraph again.... it's not what you think. |
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Misvit
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 42
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Birgco, I did read all of your post. I must have taken it more seriously than you meant it.
I was just trying to make a point that the discussion does in fact matter. |
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Quick dimension1
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 24
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Csintexas- Said: The part I have been trying to respond to is:
- "we repeat what we don’t know; we disseminate various types of media that substitute and talk about the phenomenological world we experience, but in reality, we don’t know why or what the phenomena means."
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We may never know what the phenomena means. The Concept: “we repeat what we don’t know” This statement means that we repeat what we see or experience in life. That’s the problem with design. Design should be about repeating how we understand our experiences. Here’s an example, the notion of “form follows function” is completing wrong. It more like form follows the understanding of the function of nature. |
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Misvit
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 42
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't that we repeat what we do know? If we don't understand something and repeat it anyway, it never meets expectations, however if we fully understand something we are able to enhance the previous design and exceed expectations. |
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Quick dimension1
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 24
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, we repeat what we do know. That’s the fine line of design; in the sense that architectural designs is not about taking previous designs and enhancing them or make them more efficient, but its more about creating a mental perception that enhances the experience or makes it more understandable for the human mind to comprehend. |
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mx2 millennium club
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 1977 Location: Miami, Florida
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Design should be about repeating how we understand our experiences. |
If it is possible to fully comprehend the phenomenological experiences then it is not clear that we would attempt to repeat the "how" we understand them. Often, it is human nature to seek hedonistic tendencies and other comforting experiences in an effort to simply re-create happiness. If we come to a full realization of what our world is about, what good does it do to re-create that understanding in a three dimensional spatial object? The truth of our existence depends on our perception of the world and absolutism always escapes us. We are fine with that. In fact, the search for absolutism is often a source of inspiration for great deeds...as solidred touched upon, perhaps design is the search for perfection. In other words, design could be said to be the exploration, through various mediums, for understanding that what we do not...and the phenomenon is the fact that we can't quench our desire to seek this knowledge. The phenomenological world is something in constant motion and results in influencing our feelings, our emotions. I think these concepts are parallel in nature: that is, we feel a certain way about things and we want to know about them. One is not a resultant of the other...they work in tandem,...
... me thinks.
mx2.5 _________________ *Art of Architecture: The conscious use of skill and creative imagination in the production of an aesthetic building.
*Science of Architecture: The calculated use of technical skill and knowledge in the construction of a functional building. |
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