Creationist Perspective on Mitochondrial Eve

[csintexas]

Science has not determined anything about the initial state of the universe. We have no information as to whether or not space and time are infinite. What we can prove just by simple logic though is that if God can just exist than we can also just exist. So this neither proves nor disproves the existence of God.

[designforsense]

The simple use of human logic does not prove the origin of the universe. It becomes only circular reasoning.

Man in his fallible condition presumes to take on the position of the great I AM.

No man can look into eternity and claim to fully understand the same.

No man can claim to fully understand the alpha and the omega of all creation.

No man can claim to exist for eternity. Only the great I Am can.

Some, in previously stating they accept the notion of eternal space, are the same who now deny the existence of the eternal great I Am. Interesting.

Man, in his contradiction of logic will never attain to understand what his limited mind has barred him from comprehending.

[csintexas]

There is a difference between speculating on early conditions and saying you know for sure. I can imagine that empty space is infinite but I don't actually know. Furthermore I don't try and claim there is not a God, only that intelligent design so far has no good case.

[designforsense]

Interesting how some make claims that have no foundation on logic, but rather circular reasoning. Thus they dismiss "Id" based on the same circular reasoning, also illogical. If they had at least some strong arguments to make to demonstrate why it could not be so, it would make sense. No sense it makes to state a claim with nothing to support it.

So, it all boils down to individuals dis-regarding the evidence demonstrating "Id" in favor of their own pre-conceived views or in favor of their own circular reasoning, which leads to a dead end road, with no way out.

For those who have an open mind and truly analyze the evidence, they will find an abundance to support "Id". In fact, they will find more evidence then exists to support the opposite point of view. Presented earlier were various key evidences we have in our universe that indicate grand design. Beyond this, there are many more for those who look into it. And there is a type of proof that is more practical even and applicable for those who are open to the idea as well. In essence, people chose to not believe in "Id" and seek in their own circular logic reasons to do so.

[designforsense]

The circular reasoning becomes evident:

You claim the designer always existed, therefore I always existed. If I always existed, or man always existed, therefore the universe always existed. If the universe always existed, therefore there is no evidence for a creator. If there is no such evidence, then Id doesn't make sense. Therefore the point has been made, we just exist.

This is circular reasoning at it's best. It does not prove anything and is rather fallacious thinking at it's best.

To dis-regard the facts in based of one's own assumptions.

Reading back in this same topic one will see plenty of indications of master design in the universe itself. That, just for starters.

[csintexas]

My only argument about id is that so far there is no evidence to support it while there is a ton of evidence to support the theory of evolution.

As always it is hard to make an argument against people who insist on using magic because you can use magic to get around any argument.

[Antisthenes]

not only is Relgigulous the most popular documentary of 2008 (6000+ seeds at times) but there is a great video of a Catholic Biologist being part of court hearings proving ID creationism unconstitutional.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg

[designforsense]

[csintexas]

What I said is that if God can just exist than we can just exist. That is not circular reasoning. Since a basic tenant of id is that life is to complex to have occurred naturally this proves that that is not a logical argument.

In my paper I said that if we hold true the law that energy can never be created or destroyed than it stands to reason that energy has always been present.

[csintexas]

The only requirement would be any evidence which supports a theory. Otherwise I might hold my own speculations to be good science when they are not. I should not be able to teach my own theories in classrooms unless I could back them up with evidence.

Kids have better things to do than learning a bunch of junk science.

[Antisthenes]

ya end the child abuse get the wackos away from our knowledge, just because they can't or refuse to understand it does not mean they can exclude others from the attainment and perusing of further knowledge based on empirical testing

just as is said in the video it would destroy our standing in the world, in technology to let these fanatics who resort to supernaturalism have any influence whatsoever over the future direction of society now, the future or at the time of the constitutional convention as clearly laid out so as to keep peace and avoid unnecessary division by power seeking delusional liars who dare try to simplify this complex reality with their forfeiture to whatever popular trendy god myth is currently perpetuated by those incapable of higher thinking.

[sense&sensibility]

It all boils down to believing in the supreme designer or not. If you do, you will accept the words of wisdom. If you do not, you will become an anti and find excuses to not believe.

So what is the result of this refusal to believe? They are teaching junk science in the schools with no hard facts to back up much being taught, contrary to popular belief. It is all a bunch of unfounded theories and not true factual science as they would have 'em believe. All this un-proven theory of modern science being pushed upon children as supposed facts... what a joke.

All these arguments with non-sensical words thrown together and circular reasoning is going nowhere, and will bring no benefit to others. Anyone with a little wit can see this. Arguments which simply do not add up and are based on delusions.

With such reactions, obviously they must be worried, or they would even be coming here. So they don't want others to discover for themselves the holes in the views being taught to the public, .

These modern day scientists dare to simplify the complex world we live in into a few mathematical formulas and the.o.ries that can never be proven. While the evidence is ignored, they pursue the same pre-conceived views. They lead the world into delusion. The myths of modern science go on, and in the process young children are being fed more unfounded science by the system, and at the same time being prevented from being shown the true reality of it all.

Such attempts to downgrade the mysteries of the grand designer can be clearly seen. Incorrect reasoning and claims do not hide their intent.

For anyone willing to look into "Id", they will find much info to prove and support it. It is overwhelming. It far exceeds the volume of data being presented to the public by these supposed experts of science.

When the hard facts are taken away from the public schools, with children spoon fed the same incorrect info, truth and beauty is not even given a chance to prevail. Those who refuse to believe fill the minds of our youth and nation with unfounded theories.

When one only intends to help others see their error and they do not listen, nothing then can be done.

Those who are truly sincere will discover the pathway to knowledge.

[ooberman]

[ooberman]

[Antisthenes]

ooberman way to go bro!

(applaud)