OK, Donald - where does it go from here ?

[Richard Haut]

Bush won the election.

He either won it fairly, or he played the US people for fools for a second time. However one puts it, he is in the White House for another four years.

So what happens now ?

Saddam is gone, Arafat is gone, the Taleban are more-or-less gone, and Osama doesn't seem to be doing much except making the occasional video.

Will your troops be going home ? If - as is repeatedly rumoured - America wants to attack Iran, surely it won't be necessary to go through the charade of making up evidence again. Bush will just attack.

The Palestinians are totally impoverished so there is not much that they can do.

What is it that Bush's America wants ?

[Architorture]

actually...depending on the results from hand recounts bush may not be the president....

and he isn't the president for another term officially until dec 13th anyway when the electoral college votes... it is possible for i think 20 some states to vote on their conscience and not on how the state went in the general election...

rarely has anyone switched some have abstained...so it probalby won't turn around...but its possible...

and there is still the questions of OH NM and maybe even NV

[phansford]

They are recounting the vote here in Ohio. I am sure it will result in lawsuits.

[Donald]

Ohio still counting votes from 2004. Oh really? What is that supposed to mean?

Do you think that somehow miraculously an extra 136,000 votes are going to be found to put JK over the top? You must be reading too many conspiracy theories on the Internet. How long before Kerry stops holding his tongue and accuses President Bush of stealing another election? Will his gracious defeat last even 6 months? Time will tell. Maybe he'll join Al Gore in taking a trip right off the deep end.

Kerry previously mentioned "If there's a next time, we'll do a better job. We'll see". He can forget that....2008 is going to be the Clinton show all over again. Kerry will drift off into political obscurity as another Democrat that couldn't get it done.

But hey...you're still counting votes in Ohio...anything could happen! Not.

RH, we've learned that Iran has now agreed to forego the production of weapons-grade nuclear materials. At least that's Iran's story today. Here's what you won't hear in the coverage of this story. Iran would be taking no such position if it had not been for Bush's victory two weeks ago.

Whats next? Osama and finish up elections in the Iraq....hey,does anyone really doubt that Islamic terrorists would be successful in sneaking weapons across our border with Mexico? Does anyone think that Mexican authorities are concerned enough to actually help in securing those borders?

Time to think about a wall wouldn't you say?

[Richard Haut]

Mexico ?

They ain't Muslim, Donald - wrong kind of hats.

[Architorture]

the hundreds of miles of wilderness with no water is probably more than a wall can do

[Donald]

Yes Mexico.Time magazine had reported last week that captured al Qaeda operatives are talking about plans to sneak weapons of mass destruction, with an emphasis on nuclear weapons, into the United States through Mexico. There's further intelligence information showing that Islamic terrorists consider Mexico to be the ideal place to marshal supplies needed for an attack on the U.S. using a weapon of mass destruction.

Did you catch "60 Minutes" last week? CIA analyst, Michael Scheuer said of Al-Qaeda that their intention is to end the war as soon as they can and to ratchet up the pain for the Americans until we get out of their region, and if they acquire the weapon, they will use it, whether it's chemical, biological or some sort of nuclear weapon. He also said that Osama Bin Laden had sought the religions approval to use a nuke.

You need to go to the middle east and then you will understand that they can go days without much water in the desert... and heat obviously doesn't bother them either...torture.

[Architorture]

if i'm not mistaken mexicans spend a great deal of time in an hot and arid climate and they are having a hell of a time getting to any kind of civilization once they have crossed the border... i'm just saying we hardly need a wall at the mexican border..or at least nothing more than is already present, structurally....obviously more border patrols is always helpful

[Donald]

Yes and of course not to this scale:

[phansford]

[Architorture]

there was also votes that were counted twice since there was confusion over the placement of boxes or something...

paper trail electronic voting i think would be a mistake... electronic voting is a mistake to begin with...

but as we see in recent reports about the CIA a paper trail can be used to find out who voted for who and then clean house accordingly...which would destroy the idea of an anonymous safe vote

[phansford]

I heard an excellant interview with Jimmy Carter on Fresh Air with Terry Gross. You should be able to go to www.npr.org and find the interview in the archive.

President Carter's Election Oversight group requires electronic voting. You place your vote electronically, then print out a paper copy of your vote, You then are able to compare it to your actual decision. If it is okay, you leave the voting booth and place the paper ballot in a box. If a recount or a hand count is required due to a computer failure - the paper ballots are availble.

Concerning anonymity - that is somewhat of a myth. We used punch cards here. Each punch card is numbered. That number is recorded along side my name when I signed in to vote. So .... you can eventually be traced. Pretty scary if you let it.

[Architorture]

personally i'm not scared... but i know there are plenty on the far left and right that would be...

you probably won't find many libertarians happy with electronic voting i would expect you know?

i like the system they have in place in NYS... they are mechanical machines with levers and such, so no hanging chads or messed up punch cards... they have been extremely effective and time tested and don't get bogged down with the various problems we have seen from the electronic voting so far

[phansford]

Neither am I - but it would make for a great Tom Clancy novel