More prisoner abuse?

[Donald]

The ACLU is at it again, this time ganging up on U.S. Special Forces troops in Iraq... http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/110250903342720.xml It's not exactly known why the American Civil Liberties Union is now concerning itself with the civil liberties of terrorists. Who knows.

The ACLU has their panties in a knot over some special forces guys that threatened some DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) personnel and told them not to report "prisoner abuse." So what sort of abuse are we talking about?

These are the same old complaints: sleep deprivation, humiliation and forced nudity. Abuse? I think not. It's called interrogating prisoners to get information; information that will save the lives of men and women fighting on the front lines of the war on terror.

If we have to make people uncomfortable in order to get them to tell us what we want to know, then so be it. Lives might actually be saved. By the way, will the ACLU be investigating Al-Qaeda for the heads of prisoners they sawed off with a hunting knife? Will they be as concerned about Nick Berg

[Kevin]

Donald, I find both your attitude and your terms of discourse disgusting.

Torture, whether physical or psychological, is not something to be made light of, or to be condoned.

The United States of America I am a proud citizen of protects and honors whistleblowers against the abuses which tend to naturally arise in overwhelmingly powerful institutions of any kind - including the U.S. military.

The American Civil Liberties Union has a proud record of protecting such honorable whistleblowers, by upholding the principles of the U.S. Constitution and our Bill of Rights.

I don't think you actually understand the concepts of freedom, democracy, community, and justice, and what it really takes for them to survive.

[Donald]

Heres my concept of Freedom:
When you're driving home from work today and you feel the temptation to blow your horn at that old man in front of you who just isn't quite quick enough at making that turn, stop for a second. That old man may have scaled the cliffs of Normandy, or he may have waded ashore on Iwo Jima.

We don't owe our freedoms to the ACLU or to the politicians who infest the halls of congress. We owe our freedoms to the men and woman who have been ready and willing to stand before a tyrant who threatens us and say "Not this time. Not while I'm here."

[phansford]

[Donald]

The International Red Cross, phansy and his friends in the know are whining about tactics used by the U.S. government at the Islamic Terrorist Detention Centers. So what are they complaining about?

Lets see, the Military is using psychological and physical coercion that is "tantamount to torture." I guess that means we're not allowed to make Islamic terrorists a little uncomfortable. The complaints include: loud and persistent noise and music, prolonged cold, and "some beatings." Beatings? Just what constitutes a "beating" to the IRC appeasers?

The brutal truth is that if I, or, I suspect, if you had in your presence an Islamic terrorist that you knew had information on when and where the next terrorist attack on the United States would be, there is little you wouldn't do to get that information out of him. Maybe we need a sign at Guantanamo: "The beatings will stop when morale improves."

We are at war with the most vicious enemy this country has ever known. Islamic terrorists have vowed to ensure our personal destruction so that they may enslave the world with their hateful ideology.

If we want to win World War IV, we're going to have to do whatever it takes. Making some enemy combatants a little uncomfortable with hip hop music and an occasional spanking certainly qualifies.

[SDR]

There you have it, folks: the dangerous fundamentalism, the "received wisdom" of the True Patriot. Combine this with the equally simplistic True Believer of the Religious Right and you have what we're really up against in America: rot from within. Who needs foreign enemies when we have the Trojan Horse of "Might Makes Right" and "God On Our Side." Anyone who can't see or admit (as our fearless President has finally begun to do) that we've made a mountain out of a molehill, and more numerous and angrier enemies, in Iraq, is someone to be really afraid of. As this regressive element gains power, feeding on and feeding the fear already sown, reason is increasingly crushed under its self-serving and megalomaniac tread. Watch as Sen Ron Coleman (R-Minn) bleats for the removal of Kofi Annan (read last month's Harper's for the truth), a patient diplomat he could only hope to emulate; the echoes of Sen McCarthy are painfully clear to those who remember. . .

SDR

[Donald]

A pause from the thread origins: