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jp2123
Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 52
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: What's the difference between all the kinds of architects? |
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Well I was wondering how many different forms of architects and whats the difference between them. Residential architect, draftman, ....
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lekizz millennium club
Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Every architect will be different
What is similar about them is that "Architect" is usually a title that is reserved for people who have met certain (high) standards. Theoretically they can apply their skills to a variety of different projects and circumstances.
But, like you say, architects often specialise, with greater expertise and experience in, say, housing, or commercial architecture (offices), or public buildings etc. |
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phansford
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 565 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Here in the States, there is only one definition of Architect. See my eariler post on this matter ..... reading it typically gets lots of people really mad - particular those people who have not put in the study and effort to become an Architect. Read an comment with caution
So the terms you mentioned... "residential designer" and "draftsman" are NOT architects. Architect is a legal term.
Now - there are lots of architects who specialize in different areas of interest. Hospitals, Corrections, education, and so on. This is really about the type(s) of projects that they elect to pursue and then typically they market themselves as specialist in these areas. And some types of projects require accumulated knowledge in a particular area for the building to be successful. Jails and hospitals come into mind. But most architects are generalist and design a variety of buildings.
Your college education (let's assume UNCC ) will give you a general education - you'll design all sorts of projects, from single family houses to large urban buildings. You learn to "Specialize" once you get into the profession and start to focus on certain areas. |
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jp2123
Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 52
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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ohhk thanks... Wow i knew it was tough to become an architect but... So it takes a normal person 8-10 years to become an architect? thats a lot lol... I guess a lot of people drop before they even come close the 8-10 years....
Just wondering, I know a lot of people say that architect win a lot of money. But is this really true? and what happens in those 8-10 years (related to money_?
Just in case. I dont want to become an architect for money, is just what i want to do. |
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Madimel
Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 155 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a loaded question. What is your definition of "a lot" of money? I worked for an architect who has his own 12-person private jet and hangar and I know a couple of architects who can't make their tax payments. Along with reading about architecture, it will definitely benefit you to read up on business as well. They don't cover that in school and it could come in handy one day. |
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phansford
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 565 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Traditionally, architects are NOT making the type of money that a doctor would make. I not sure what the going rate is for a recent graduate - $30-35 K (?). Partners in large firms might be making six figures.
You'll make enough to live comfortably and pay your bills. But money isn't everything. It might be more important to you to be able to do certain type of work, say things with a social purpose - projects that provide for the greater good, but not necessarily your pockets. (I've worked with a homeless agency and a low-income housing authority - the fees are pretty low, but the projects have more meaning than a new shopping center... to me and my client)
Success is defined by the individual. Some people think you're only successful if you drive a German car and live on a golf course. Some think your only sucessful if you are winning design awards and getting published.
Some by the quality of their life, not the quantity of things in their life.... subtle stuff here and it will probably go over your head due to your age..... hey - it's all about the Benjamin's right.... it was when I was your age.
So - My definition of success has changed with age and yours will too.
Architecture is not about making money hand-over-fist, its about how we can impact the built-environment, how people live, and the quality of life over all...... then again - some architects will build whatever crap their clients demand.
On the practical side, you want to plan and save for the future. Take those business courses and met with an investment planner earily in your career. |
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Madimel
Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 155 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| A good book to read is "Young, Fabulous & Broke" by Suzie Orman. I know some people do not like what she proposed which is to work lots of hours to get noticed in the work place. Although the book was not published until many years after I graduated school, I did performed many late nights at the office and got noticed immediately. It may not work well for everyone, but I do believe that you create your own opportuniites. You have to follow what is important to you. One of the biggest question you are faced with is whether you should take a corporate job at $42k/year or $30/yr at a one man shop. Personally, I picked the latter because that was an investment for my career in my mind. |
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Madimel
Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 155 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I digressed on the last post. Here is my convoluted list of the different types of architects. Please note that although I'm a registrant, I consider the term "architect" as professionals in our field of work and not necessarily confined to registrants only.
Snob Architect- Architect that thinks he is above all, and that their design will make the world a better place to live in. Clients are there to serve as ATM machines to fund their master creations.
Mini Snob Architects- Architects who aspire to be Snob Architects but do not have the talent to reach that level. They often put down design of others in order to make themselves feel better about themselves.
Academic Architect- Close relative to the Mini Snob Architect, but their world don't relate to the the real world. Many of these architects have never step foot into a working office.
Registered Project Architects- Architects who gets dumped on by the Snob Architects and the Owners. To make themselves feel better, they dump on non-registrants and tell everyone how difficult the ARE's are.
Project Managers - Staff who do not care to pursue the ARE's. Usually are the most friendly and helpful. But when challenged with an design issue, their eyes usually glaze over and look at you with a blank stare.
Foreign Architects- Architects working in the US, but hold a license from a third world country. Will often complain about the US registration process and how the codes are ridiculous as well.
Mercenary Architects- Usually temporary hire. Works only from 8-5 and complain nonstop why people give them a bad look when they leave at 5 during a deadline.
CAD Architects/Job Captains- these are the architects that work only in the office and seldom see daylight. Any necessary contact with consultants will cause them to hide in the cubicle corner in a fetal position.
Intern/recent grad Architect- Full of energy and ideas for the first couple of months. Then soon realize that they actually made more money working at a bar during their college days. |
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phansford
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 565 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Madimel wrote: | | Please note that although I'm a registrant, I consider the term "architect" as professionals in our field of work and not necessarily confined to registrants only. |
Yes - there are many titles within the corporate structure of a large firm. Senior Architect, Project Architect, Project Manager, Job Captain, Graduate Architect, Associate Architect, CAD Monkey, and on and on and on. (I worked in one of the top 100 E/A prior to opening my own practice and worked for two of the top High Fashion architects here in Ohio - FAIA and Loeb Fellows types)
However, its best when talking in general terms to lay people to define between Architects and "non-registrants". There is a difference and many "non-registrants" are out there practicing at some level and are eating at the edges of our profession. They want to do houses - thats all fine and legal. Some of them do nice work and I even recommend a few here locally. However, many begin to creep into areas they are not legally permitted and its a real issue.
If you work for a large firm - you will never see it - but its real and its damaging the profession and putting people in needless risk. The code violations I see are scary stuff. It is not about design and beauty - its about life safety. As an example - I am on the local Board of Residential Appeals. The first case I heard was a house where the "designer" and contractor did not provide egress windows in the bedroom - EVEN THOUGH the plans examiners stamped the drawings all over with a note concerning window size. (they lost their case and have to rip out quite a bit of construction to make the house met code)
I just got a call yesterday from some "designer" who has clients wanting to do commerical work and they are looking for someone to "Stamp" their work. These types are real creeps and unfortunately there are people out there who will whore their seal. I personally report them to the State (both sides) whenever it comes to my attention.
I have a similar disdain for "moonlighters" who under cut fees and price their services based on the cost of a plasma screen TV. These guys are slugs. And yes I moonlighted but I charged full fees and never did competing work with my employers. (I charged the same hourly rate as my employers billed me out as)
So I, as a fellow "registrant" who has pride and high regard for his profession, would ask you to do the same and carefully choose your words when discussing what an architect is and is not.
Otherwise your list of definitions is quite humorous......
Now let me assure you that this post will now get LOTS of reaction from the "non-registrants". |
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Madimel
Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 155 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Phansford,
I understand your comments. I hope you understand that my point was not to generalize about non-registrants or to diminish the accomplishments of registrants. There are good and bad designers and architects out there. The technically or design deficient architects usually are the ones who are the ones who proclaim loudest of their achievement of passing the ARE. In my experience, I've seen registrants make appalling mistakes as well. Likewise, there are many
incompetent "designers", but clients usually do not have much expectations from them due to their substantially lower fees. Fortunately in our field, we can easily showcase our product/expertise. I make no apologies for my fees, and yes, I've lost contracts to designers. If a client is not able to differentiate my work from that of a "designer", than that client is much better served to go with the designer. I just want to say, "Can't We All Get Along????". I don't define our roles by titles, but rather by what we do. |
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lekizz millennium club
Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Hahaha, your list made me laugh out loud, Madimel But you are oh soooooo bitter!!!
As for the 'academic architects', don't we all start by looking beyond the dollars and cents/shillings and pence of a project? At what point does an idea cease to bear relation to 'reality'?
CAD architects are what is known here as "CAD Monkeys". On the other hand "Architectural Technicians" are a category you seem to have missed, those invaluable people who work their way through Technical Colleges, do all the detailling and hard work on a project, can name their own salary, do lots of private domestic work on-the-side and still manage to have a wild social life/expensive holidays/see their family regularly  |
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phansford
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 565 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| Madimel wrote: | Phansford,
I understand your comments. I hope you understand that my point was not to generalize about non-registrants or to diminish the accomplishments of registrants. There are good and bad designers and architects out there. The technically or design deficient architects usually are the ones who are the ones who proclaim loudest of their achievement of passing the ARE. In my experience, I've seen registrants make appalling mistakes as well. Likewise, there are many
incompetent "designers", but clients usually do not have much expectations from them due to their substantially lower fees. Fortunately in our field, we can easily showcase our product/expertise. I make no apologies for my fees, and yes, I've lost contracts to designers. If a client is not able to differentiate my work from that of a "designer", than that client is much better served to go with the designer. I just want to say, "Can't We All Get Along????". I don't define our roles by titles, but rather by what we do. |
Blah, Blah, Blah.......yes heard all of that before and agree to some.
Having been on this forum since the previous incarnation - this has been a long-standing arguement/discussion. I not interesting in hashing it over again.... I know where I stand.
Guess what.... not all doctors are good at what they do, but I would rather go to a doctor than a butcher to have my appendix removed - even though they both cut meat.
This isn't about titles - this is about informing a young person interested in the profession. Discussing the various titles and roles in a large firm is meaningless and confusing.
No one goes to architecture school for 5-8 years to be a 'non-registrant". Yes many will end there and go into related fields or not be interested in being licensed.
The conversation should be -
The design/construction industry is very large. There is a need for people in many parts of the industry and not everyone will hold a professional design degree (Engineer or Architect) and nor will everyone who goes to Architecture/Engineering school becomes licensed. My undergraduate degree is actually in construction.
There is a need for project managers, construction administrators, contractors, building code officials, product/material manufacturers and reps, interior designer, masons, carpenters, steel fabricators and erectors..... the list goes on and on.
Even within the design side of the industry there is a need for many types of professionals..... CAD operators, designers, specifcation writers, marketing and sales people, managers, field people and yes even licensed architects and engineers. Again - they are not all licensed professionals. In large firms, such as the one I worked for, you will have photographers, administrative assistants, tech writers, graphic designers, even scientists. We had people with degrees in geography doing GIS work. We even had a pilot and owned 2 planes for aerial photography. The firm was so large it had its own in-house printing department with 6 full-time employees (think Kinkos)
So after you finish architecture school and work for a while, you might realize there is a portion of the industry that interests you and you might never get licensed, but still enjoy a fulfilling life. |
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Madimel
Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 155 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I invite everyone out there reading this to add to the list. It was meant to be a light hearted look at our profession, nothing more. |
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Checkpoint43

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 74 Location: Lexington, VA
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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"Architect" is to "Residential Designer" as "Doctor" is to "Surgeon".
He's a specialist.
A residential designer focuses on home design, but an architect may design anything from a house to a high-rise.
Just look at the cover of an architectural magazine, and you may see a picture of a chair.
The definition of architecture is very broad.
I like to say that architecture is where art meets technology.
So be sure to ask what area an architect specializes in when choosing one.
After all, you wouldn't want a proctologist checking your tonsils. |
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mx2 millennium club
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 1968 Location: Miami, Florida
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | CAD architects are what is known here as "CAD Monkeys". |
I remeber being chewed out for stating this a year ago...
Ha!
mx2.5  _________________ *Art of Architecture: The conscious use of skill and creative imagination in the production of an aesthetic building.
*Science of Architecture: The calculated use of technical skill and knowledge in the construction of a functional building. |
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