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Chillax



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:06 am    Post subject: 'Underground' architecture? Reply with quoteFind all posts by Chillax

Does anyone have any knowledge or reference as to whether or not the term 'underground' architecture has been coined before? Not in the literal sense of building beneath the surface, but in in the way underground music is coined.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Confusion would reign Reply with quoteFind all posts by lorettahall

I understand your objective in talking about "underground architecture" in the nonconformist sense, but in the unique case of architecture, the term would be overly confusing. While some people may refer to buildings that are literally underground as "subterranean" or "earth-covered," there's no getting around the fact that people's immediate interpretation of "underground architecture" would be the in-the-ground type. This type of siting is becoming increasingly mainstream for reasons like land scarcity (e.g., on college campuses), energy efficiency, and view preservation (e.g., historic building additions). As a result, you'd be describing an unconventional movement with a term associated with an increasingly conventional style.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by AUCKiTECT

To the young man in architecture, the word radical should be a beautiful word. Radical means "of the root" or "to the root" - begins at the beginning and the word stands up straight. Any architect should be radical by nature because it is not enough for him to begin where others have left off.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:57 pm    Post subject: underground Reply with quoteFind all posts by roxdub

yes
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by Antisthenes

radical autonomous decentralized direct action
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by AP

AUCKiTECT wrote:
To the young man in architecture, the word radical should be a beautiful word. Radical means "of the root" or "to the root" - begins at the beginning and the word stands up straight. Any architect should be radical by nature because it is not enough for him to begin where others have left off.
- Frank Lloyd Wright


Aah, but "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
- George Santayana

Radical is all well and good, but gets a bit repetative. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by navai

I'm agree with Antisthenes
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by P.C.

"Not in the literal sense of building beneath the surface, but in in the way underground music is coined."

There are one , 3D-H, a new building method that meet the same fierce responses from the same circles of old sad men that rather praise the dead hero's than support the new and refreshing.

When you go look for 3D-H look close for these responses ; also check how lack of arguments often resulted in personal attacks on the inventer of the building method ; so are you looking for the gutts and the refreshing new Visions , how to build a nice house at a third the cost four times stronger and with the computer no hippie touch , then search Google for 3D-H and Per Corell.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by Trygr

AP wrote:
AUCKiTECT wrote:
To the young man in architecture, the word radical should be a beautiful word. Radical means "of the root" or "to the root" - begins at the beginning and the word stands up straight. Any architect should be radical by nature because it is not enough for him to begin where others have left off.
- Frank Lloyd Wright


Aah, but "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
- George Santayana

Radical is all well and good, but gets a bit repetative. Rolling Eyes


"The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same good things for the first time."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

New things emerge from repetition, that is the history of architecture.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by crouton976

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AP wrote:

NRadical is all well and good, but gets a bit repetative.


Repetitive? i think not...

"Radical:a : marked by a considerable departure from the usual or traditional : EXTREME b : tending or disposed to make extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions" - Miriam-Webster

"Iron rusts from disuse; stagnant water loses its purity and in cold weather becomes frozen; even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind."
-Leonardo da Vinci

"He who passes not his days in the realm of dreams is the slave of the days." -Kahlil Gibran


But, then again, what do I know...

"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions." - Leonardo da Vinci
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by Misvit

well put all. I'm liking this quote thing, unfortunately I have none to contribute, but keep up the good work.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by mx2

I'm curious as to what the nature of an "underground movement" in architecture would consist of...I would suppose it has to be anti-establishment. The history of architecture has great moments of rejecting the past and breaking towards new ideas and concepts. However, we are perpetually stuck in the realm of PoMo! There is no way out unless someone invents a new material and it had better be able to float in midair, cost a penny to make, does not impact the environment at all, leaves no odor, is easy to shape/cut/add, and comes in all kinds of colors! Until then, the rebels will having a hard time finding clients...

...unless we're speaking of the Blobbists, etal. which is hardly any covert movement (if I am allowed to call it a movement that is). Or any new idea for that matter. The minute and second a new idea comes out that is credible in terms of construction, it will be more Pop than Madonna at a Timberlane concert... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Better to say "Subversive ARchiTorture" Reply with quoteFind all posts by usarender

Perhaps the better term would be "subversive architecture", or architecture that is intended to undermine the status quo, to subvert the traditional way of thinking, to challenge the establishment and traditional ways of thinking and building technologies.

This could be adopted as an interesting proposal.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quoteFind all posts by P.C.

Mx2 ;

" I'm curious as to what the nature of an "underground movement" in architecture would consist of...I would suppose it has to be anti-establishment. The history of architecture has great moments of rejecting the past and breaking towards new ideas and concepts. However, we are perpetually stuck in the realm of PoMo! "

Exactly, we are just realising the pover of the computer, don't realy need it yet as we proberly are at the top of what our tradisional materials develobed into ; steel beams instead of wooden ones, concrete cast in various forms even that was at it's hight at the start of past century where wonders of concrete was cast. New curtain walls and a different aproach to the building core lead strait into new concepts, materials, way's to calculate --- just everything is at the turning point and our emagination simply can't emagine what we don't know, so we fight to stay with the old instead of welcome the new.

"There is no way out unless someone invents a new material and it had better be able to float in midair, cost a penny to make, does not impact the environment at all, leaves no odor, is easy to shape/cut/add, and comes in all kinds of colors! Until then, the rebels will having a hard time finding clients... "

New materials just for the old technikes, I don't think that is enough. I don't think it is possible to further develob on many of the technikes and materials used in the building industrie, new winds has to blow, everything need to be turned upside down, before we maneage to realise what we are stuck in, and why we enslave the computers into the old, rather than allowing them to engage the new.

Yes there are an underground architecture, you know that and ought to credit it for that, give it the oppotunity to deliver the new nice materials and new technikes and new way's simply to put things together.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Underground Architecture At It's Best Reply with quoteFind all posts by usarender

Each content must have it's own FORM that is freely elaborated, without feeling a need to CONFORM to the traditional way of doing things. One could say this is underground thinking, at it's best. It can bring forth a multitude of REACTIONARY thinking, on the part of those who propose to maintain the status quo of FORM to guarantee the stability of our thinking. One could almost say architecture that is truly innovative can be at times somewhat of a rebel, as it does not conform necessarily to the trend of things.
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