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justellus
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 Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ooberman wrote: |
well, that's way too heady for me. I'm just going to trust that you are right.
Although, i don't think you are right about the "spooky action at a distance" being used for communication. This is based on probability (as is all quantum physics) and you would not know which particle was the one to watch for the information.
It's not as if there is a one-to-one relationship of known particle "a" and known particle "b".
It's the reason we can't transport people like in Star Trek in real life - only the movies and tv.
But, i'm sure you knew this. |
You are right in this regard, it is not such a direct transfer process, but relies on "fuzzy logic" or better "fuzzy information" and related principles. The individual was just suggesting it in the quote, even though current technology is not quite yet there.
We can already see some embryonic applications of this idea in practice, however on a very rudimentary level -->>
http://www.physorg.com/news134127822.html
The area of cryptography and single photon data transfer using quantum memory and storage, which is not exactly the same as complete information transfer, but is a good start.
We also see Quantum teleportation. This is another rudimentary form, however not able to transport at the speed of light -->>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation
| Quote: | | Quantum teleportation, or entanglement-assisted teleportation, is a technique used to transfer information on a quantum level, usually from one particle (or series of particles) to another particle (or series of particles) in another location via quantum entanglement. It does not transport energy or matter, nor does it allow communication of information at superluminal (faster than light) speed. Its distinguishing feature is that it can transmit the information present in a quantum superposition, useful for quantum communication and computation. |
and this link -->>
http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/teleportation/
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| Quote: | | In subsequent years, other scientists have demonstrated teleportation experimentally in a variety of systems, including single photons, coherent light fields, nuclear spins, and trapped ions. Teleportation promises to be quite useful as an information processing primitive, facilitating long range quantum communication (perhaps unltimately leading to a "quantum internet"), and making it much easier to build a working quantum computer. But science fiction fans will be disappointed to learn that no one expects to be able to teleport people or other macroscopic objects in the foreseeable future, for a variety of engineering reasons, even though it would not violate any fundamental law to do so. |
And now Quantum computing is the next step -->>
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2491/teleportation-trick-step-towards-quantum-computing
Teleportation trick is step towards quantum computing
| Quote: | SYDNEY: Quantum information has been successfully teleported between two single atoms a metre apart – a significant step towards long distance quantum communication and quantum computing, researchers say.
Quantum information is information about the physical state of a particle: its energy or spin, for example. Physicists in the U.S. have now managed to faithfully transfer this information between two atoms separated by a short distance, according to their study published today in the journal Science. |
and it states further:
| Quote: | Quantum networks
"The teleportation of quantum information in this way could form the basis of a new type of quantum internet that could outperform any conventional type of classical network for certain tasks," said Christopher Monroe, study author with the Joint Quantum Institute at the University of Maryland in College Park.
Before now, quantum teleportation had been achieved over very long distances with groups of atoms or with photons (see, Quantum communication breaks distance record), but this is the first time it has demonstrated with single atoms.
Only quantum teleportation between single atoms is a feasible way to hold and manage quantum information over long distances. "Photons are ideal for transferring information fast over long distances, whereas atoms offer a valuable medium for long-lived quantum memory," said Monroe. |
Again, this information is posted to demonstrate that the basic concept is already being applied. |
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justellus
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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And this is a good one to look at also -->>
http://nujournal.net/choice.html
| Quote: | The most famous challenger of the uncertainty principle was Albert Einstein, who kept expressing his disapproval for uncertainty as the basis of the Universe by saying that "God doesn't play dice". Although his view was that we should seek a sensible explanation for the observable non-deterministic behavior of the sub-atomic world - he couldn't imagine any better alternative than the practical statistical approach of Heisenberg.
This article considers the possibility that was either overlooked or not sufficiently explored: that the non-deterministic behavior of sub-atomic particles is a result of an intelligently encoded information transfer.
Results of electro-photonic experiments presented in this article suggest that the analysis of this concept may have an even greater impact on humanity than the uncertainty principle had. It is demonstrated that quantum encoded information transfer in Nature is not only feasible and highly probable, but it is an essential feature of material reality that enables us to determine and verify the Purpose of existence of the entire Universe. |
and this is a jewel of a find also, within the same article -->>
| Quote: | Is the Universe by Design?
Did the Universe happen by chance or is it the result of an intelligent Design? What is more probable?
Although the probability of the Universe appearing "by chance" is generally agreed to be infinitesimally small, the entire science on Earth seems to focus on this single possibility.
What could possibly be achieved by following this narrow path of thinking? Proof that the Universe exists because it CAN? Since the Universe already DOES exist - who needs proof that the Universe "can" exist?
My preference is to consider an alternative that seems almost an infinite number of times more probable: that the Universe has been intelligently designed and - as every intelligent design - it has a Purpose [3].
In fact, to a sincere and intelligent observer - every atom in Nature around us seems a masterpiece of intelligent Design. Nature in its entirety can be considered as a manifestation of a truly Great Intellect, far greater in fact that most of us can imagine.
In contrast, no one on Earth seems to be intelligent enough to MAKE an atom, even the simplest one. So far we have only learned how to smash atoms into pieces, and even then - we cannot explain all the details about the resulting debris. What would you say to a child who continues smashing toys in order to demonstrate that "toys make themselves" ? The smashing continues...
Generations of highly intelligent people on Earth have been trying to figure out how atoms and sub-atomic "particles" such as electrons are made. Since no one could establish a deterministic model for electron oscillations, they were proclaimed "uncertain" and un-explorable. Consequently, mathematical models of the electron and other "particles" focus on estimating the probability of encountering certain states of their oscillation, according to the uncertainty principle of Heisenberg.
Is it possible that what we can only explain today as "uncertainty" in electron oscillations is actually the evidence of a continuous information transfer between electrons? Could the entire Universe be a gigantic facility to process information?
When observing intelligently functioning Nature around us it is very difficult not to admit that the Design of the Universe required a truly Great Intellect. We can also establish with a considerable certainty that the very essence of Intellect is the ability to create and process information.
Doesn’t it become obvious that the information storage and exchange should be one of the most essential features, if not the very Purpose of the truly intelligent Design of the Universe? |
The article goes on to discuss this same topic - quantum computing, electro-photonic emission and most interesting of all, the encoding of information taken into consideration when designing a universe -->>
"Can you imagine designing the Universe?"
and his ending statements are interesting as well -->>
| Quote: | What next?
The Universe exists. Can any of its features be understood without understanding its Purpose?
At present, we focus our efforts and resources trying to explain the "outside" world as if we were separate from it.
Almost 2000 years ago, a small circle of people was advised: "Whoever does not know Self – does not know anything, but whoever knows Self – already has acquired the Knowledge about the Depth of the Universe."[9]
Shouldn't we look WITHIN? Is this explicit advice of where and how to "seek" in order to find why it is that we and the Universe exist? Is the KEY to the entire Universe encoded in our own private consciousness?
How many more thousands of years do we need to realize and explore the significance of this advice?
We have the Freedom of Thought. We can either explore or ignore the Purpose of the Universe [3]. Whatever our choice is - we are destined to experience its consequences, even if we cannot yet imagine any.
What do you choose? |
Some more information presented on this topic that should get us to do some more thinking on these subject matters...... |
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djswan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sure I have. To be or not to be and now with new and improved luck. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. It has to exist, math told me so. I tried explaining this to you earlier in this thread, I think you were worlddesigner or archimotion then, and still stuck in your myth. x, y, zennith to refresh you.
There is no one.
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| O-Archy wrote: | That's a cute monkey ya got there dj  |
She can grab things with her feet. 
The toddling reminds me of J Fred Muggs.
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justellus
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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This guy who is proposing this has good credentials as well:
| Quote: | | Dr Tom J. Chalko, MSc, PhD, Senior Scientist, Scientific Engineering Research P/L, Mt Best, 3960, Australia, founder of BioResonant® |
So viewing the 2D planar as possibly this information storage and transfer mechanism could indeed prove to be revolutionary as well, if it were proven.
What more a greater gift could we ask for then this?
And this guy has an interesting article, albeit on another topic:
| Quote: | Thomas J. Chalko
No second Chance: Can Earth Explode as a result of Global Warming?
Overheating the center of the inner core reactor due to the socalled greenhouse effect on the surface of Earth may cause the meltdown condition, enrichment of nuclear fuel and a gigantic atomic explosion. |
There are various PDF links, including to this latest article on Global Warming.
http://nujournal.net/
This same text page above is available in PDF format in the document link -->>
Is chance or choice the essence of Nature?
90% Accuracy of Quantum Information Transfer done with Quantum Repeaters
Now, more accurate quantum information transfer can be done also with "quantum repeaters" and information using this technique allows for at the present 90% recovery of information -->>
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2491/teleportation-trick-step-towards-quantum-computing?page=0%2C1 |
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ooberman
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Justellus, I am starting to get responses back from some scientists and it's pretty wild. I am going to send your Hypothesis to MIT and Stanford to verify, but I think you better get a lawyer. People are wondering where you stole this idea from and how you got hold of top secret government documents... mainly, ones from Area 51. Also, don't be surprised from a call from the Nobel Institute.
I'll keep you apprised, but thanks for showing me the truth. It's quite remarkable.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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I still have to chuckle at this theory that the universe is too complicated to have evolved from chance and so some complicated higher intelligence must have created it?
seems to be a catch in there somewhere 
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justellus
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:09 am Post subject: |
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This idea was not stolen from anywhere my friend. These ideas are our own. This only proves how being interconnected with the source allows us to discover many a new secrets on the universe. You see, they would hold much information from us that they would not like others to know, when they most likely are doing research on the same, so that they can claim credit. This is our suspicion. But it was not stolen from anywhere. If you wish, I can write more unique ideas so this can be demonstrated. And my formula as well most likely does not match any classified info on this topic, if there is any at all. You get all types of wild claims on the internet, so whoever is claiming that this info was stolen from "area 51" or whatever you call it most likely is some wacky guy trying to scare someone. So I would not take it seriously.
But indeed, we did suspect that the information being released on official science sites or broadcasting science pages were to incomplete yet demonstrate they have some knowledge on the subject that someone is not wanting to reveal. So this lead us to conclude that it is most likely since they are doing research on the subject and wish to claim the idea is unique or their own. Put simply putting the pieces together, plus intuition, plus having an interconnected mind (similar to remote viewing in a sense), allows us to tap into the ultimate source of knowledge present at this Quantum level and come up with surprising ideas, that your own mind does not know where comes from exactly. You see, there is much power in having an open mind that discards all pre-conceived ideas and is willing to tap into this ultimate quantum level of information. To those who are on the outside it sounds strange, and like some type of magic. But it is not. It becomes a natural faculty of reason, just as much as any other. And it is not by any means a form of insanity.
So then, you can dis-regard the area 51 bs and focus on the facts.
I would suggest also not mentioning where you are getting the info from, just to keep them guessing, as it will be more fun that way. Just a suggestion. Eventually if my theories prove correct, getting a call from the Nobel team might be interesting.
However, since have been meeting a lot of antagonism as well around these corners of cyberspace, it would not be a good idea at this point for me to openly declare to much, since it would only be a means for other individuals to continue with their harassment. To avoid this, it best be kept at this point as a viable hypothesis for other scientists to test. If it proves to be accurate, and in fact Nobel is interested in knowing who generated the ideas, perhaps at that point we could contact them or allow them to contact us. They will never be able to prove we have stolen anything, nor will they find any record of anyone tapping into Area 51 documents, simply because this is a fiction of someone's imagination. You see, what they don't realize is how much energy and information you can "download" to your brain, by having your mind interconnected to the universal source. I have already received a divine gift for which I am very grateful. You see, the man upstairs does not chose the most prepared of this universe. But with time, he prepares and enables those he chooses to gain a greater understanding into His source of knowledge. How else do you think the Bible was written? Did such mean have knowledge of the future? Clearly they did, as can be seen, and they never were off once. This is not an attempt to make a direct of saying we are prophets or anything like that. These ideas come naturally and insight comes with inspiration to the mind that is interconnected to a type of "source of information". All the information in the universe then exists thus at some Quantum level, including ideas of others, their thoughts, feelings and all of human experience. If you are able to get a glimpse of this level of information, much can be learned, without needing to read hundreds of pages of information from some source. Nor will you need to "steal ideas from others". The ideas will come to you naturally, just like walking down the street, with little effort but using a greater portion of your 90% unused mind is all.
With time, some of these ideas of ours may be dis-credited, but if it is as you state, we would be very impressed. We were posting the ideas here for fun, without realizing they would have such repercussion. Or are you only making this up for fun also? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:46 am Post subject: |
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what is your definition of friend
and define "our"
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justellus
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Again, reading the Book should give some clues. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: |
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hypocrisy and violence , no thanks
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justellus
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: |
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What? Much more can be said for the world we live in, in this regard, then any particular referred to book. Just turning on a tv or looking at the latest news media (newspaper, magazines...)will reveal much more "hypocrisy and violence" then one would see anywhere else.
So Oberhman, what are your latest thoughts on what you have found? Any new "ground-braking" event news? Have all the scientists fallen off their chairs yet?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| justellus wrote: | What? Much more can be said for the world we live in, in this regard, then any particular referred to book. Just turning on a tv or looking at the latest news media (newspaper, magazines...)will reveal much more "hypocrisy and violence" then one would see anywhere else.
So Oberhman, what are your latest thoughts on what you have found? Any new "ground-braking" event news? Have all the scientists fallen off their chairs yet?
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definitely! they are falling of their chairs left and right. "justellus" and his hypothesis is becoming very popular, as you can imagine. I deleted a request from a spam agency, sine you can't trust them.
There's been a request for you to show your work, but I'm sure it's not a serious request, so i wouldn't waste your time.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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yes the myth of redemptive violence that is part of all major religions is good to know about this. 1250bc stuff
Walter Wink does a good writing about it and how it is carried into media and indoctrinates children to control them.
very sad and in order to grow beyond it i think saying no to known myths is one of the best things we can do.
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justellus
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Indeed, this myth which the Babylonians believed is spread to children from a young age through cartoons, children's programs, and as Walter states "video nasties". So as stated earlier, just turning on your tv or watching the latest news will revel the true nature and source of this myth is, simply put, coming from the media. According to Walter, rather then spending time in nice Sunday School morning activities, the majority of children rather spend all day in front of their tv, thus spreading this myth and filling their minds....as the media is good at doing.... |
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