Creationist Perspective on Mitochondrial Eve

[Antisthenes]

don't forget about your hellfire and damnation and the basic word redemption and self sacrifice that xtians hijack from the pagans along with most of everything else too, same root. good vs evil is the biggest lie ever perpetuated by humanity

[ooberman]

Interestingly, early Xpn-ity was spread by "media". The gospels were all to be read in front of a small group as a thrilling mystery or tale. Pauls epistles were to be read in front of the small congregations. Later, the illuminated texts were the equivalent to cartoons today.

I don't really like the term "Media" to refer to some big brother type Co., or conspiracy.

Media is a method of describing your idea. "Media" companies use media to sell their ideas, as do artists, religions, architects, etc.

[justellus]

[justellus]

[O-Archy]

Awww, I just popped some corn, and was ready for some entertainment... Eve was framed....!!
It was also good to re-evaluate the OP waaay back at page one of this thread, and to understand what good Kevin had to say about the civil discourse or not, that each of us can bring to the table, err forum.

Interesting to note how one individual here has metamorphed into multiple alia, and continues to berate others who are making candid and honest comments.

"All is vanity and a striving after wind"

"Better is the end of a thing than its beginning; and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit. Be not quick to anger, for anger lodges in the bosom of fools. Say not, 'why were the former days better than these?' For it is not from wisdom that you ask this. Wisdom is good with an inheritance, an advantage to those who see the sun."

"That which is, is far off, and deep, very deep; who can find it out?"

"All this I observed while applying my mind to all that is done under the sun,while man lords it over man to his hurt."

Carry on...

[justellus]

Huumm...the quarks keep popping up again....like pop corn. Again, metamorphisis of the topic.... sounds like it belongs to the other thread.

Even the "honest claims" about "geographical errors" has been dispeled as well. What use is it to claim knowledge of the ancient texts, but then to proceed to make unfounded statements on supposed error.....as those scholars do... Again error is proven wrong and the science behind it all has only advanced. All it takes is a little research to dispel the incorrect application and understanding of the content expressed. So, I think it best one focus on advancing ideas, rather then on what some have said or done or theorized in the past.

[O-Archy]

So Mr. Nelson,

How's your 'likwid univerge' going, have you gotten enough people to support your ideas of building the next pyramid outta sand from the desert East of San Diego to the height of Mt. Everest?

Just so you can get into space easier?
Seems like that 'idea' hasn't gotten traction...

[justellus]

A few more ideas:

Quantum Level Organization

An even broader way to see the universe is that everything in the universe is encoded quantum information - atoms, DNA, planet orbit, galaxy formation, 2D planar, human speech, light, space, nuclear fusion, organic interactions at the quantum level, quantum physics, quantum information transfer, cellular structure and on it goes......

In this view, all this information is encoded at the 2D planar where all the quantum events are taking place simultaneously and reflects itself as ripples on the space-time continuum, as localized quantum events. These localized quantum events are information transfer. The information communication process responds to biological life, which affects and determines the probability states of the quantum events. Inert life cannot act directly at the same level on the quantum states, being static as they are. However, biological life imparts a disruption at the quantum state, and is constantly re-balancing the encoding of information and probability curves, and reality re-adapts itself instantaneously to each minute adjustment.

One can almost say that it is at this greater Quantum level that true reality exists. This true reality as encoded on the 2D planar governs the entire universe at this quantum level, under this view. The 2D planar is a reflection of the working of human mind, which is modeled after the mind of it's creator. Thus, the human mind can be understood also as not only a sequence of electrical events and currents, but as an exterior "2D shell surface" where the holographic model is built by creating flows of energy within the synapses and electrical currents of the brain. The human mind can influence the quantum level events as well, and at times anticipate their interaction with the mind. Such as when one senses or hears a noise a fraction of a second before an event, or when one mind notices it is being observed by another, for example. It is linked with intuition as well. Thus, what has not been understood before about the brain becomes more clear in light of this model. Therefore, to understand the human brain, we need to find the similarities with the 2D planar. Under this view, the human brain thus is a mechanism to encode, transmit and decode information, in a similar fashion to the 2D planar. Expansion of knowledge and information and a life-long gathering and expansion of information is what the brain is doing constantly. In the same manner, under this view, the 2D planar has existed as long as the universe has been around, thus all information is constantly being encoded and decoded at the quantum level, on the surface of this 2D planar. This comparison to the human mind may seem unrelated to some, and is another hypothesis. But it can serve to aid in the understanding of the inter-workings of the human brain as well.

As stated on one site:

[justellus]

Would what could we ask for then this Grand Unification Field Theory?

What the greatest of scientists have not been able to achieve has been proposed. Should this be proven true, we would certainly merit the Nobel Prize.

And nobody can claim these ideas as their own, since they are ours.

Now, what a greater comparison can we find, but to compare the human mind with the 2D planar? Thus, all the forces of the universe can be understood as the interaction at the planar level, including gravitational forces, (electromagnetic forces), all the laws of thermodynamics, of entropy, in essence, all physical forces of nature have been summed up into one new Grand Unification Theory. What more could we ask for then this?

And even a greater understanding of the human mind has been gained in the process. And further extending the comparison allows us to gain a greater understanding of the universe as well. Thus, astro-physics, astronomy, astrology, the sciences of biology, of chemistry, of physics, of nuclear physics, of quantum physics, as well as all of human endeavor (philosophy, religion....) are all unified beautifully into one new composite that explains the behavior of all, including the human mind!

Thus, the formation of the galaxies, the interaction and clustering of galaxies, the inter-connection among galactic elements, and the relationship of the position of these one to another, and to the human experience are all thus inter-connected at this Quantum Level. In this model, stars and galaxies can be seen as the "synapses" of the system, at the Quantum Level, where the various elements of the "universal brain" have a design, a purpose, a function, in the communication of universal information to the 2D planar, at the Quantum Level, beyond space and time. This entire system then can be seen as the physical manifestation of the "universal brain" which exists at this 2D planar. Thus, in a sense, it can be seen as one big intelligent computer that is programed to regulate the sustenance of the entire universe according to the governing laws it establishes within the confines of limited space/time continuum. Thus, outside this continuum, the laws no longer apply and anything is possible.

It explains how nature as a whole interacts, functions, breathes, and exchanges intelligent, programmed information with itself on the grandeur scale at the Quantum Level, thus hereto unexplained before. It explains the atoms as well, not as un-defined elements, which Einstein failed to explain. It explains them as standing physical, spherical, harmonious, interacting, dynamic waves of energy which are codified at the quantum level and communicate with each other outside the boundaries of space and time.

Thus, a new milestone in science has been achieved. Could the GRAND UNIFICATION THEORY COULD HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED?

This truly would be too much to ask. But if this were the case....what more then could we ask for then this.... that we have stumbled upon something being sought for so long, and it came as natural as walking in the sunshine.... to some unknown universal observer....

So under this model, the universe is formed not by one uncontrolled Bang or explosion, but rather was all carefully put into place by an intelligent mind far greater then we can understand, who programed the 2D planar to carry all the information of the system at the Quantum Level, allowing this 2D planar to communicate in real time with any universal field energy point instantaneously.

Thus, dark matter can be understood to equate space. And space can be understood as being formed by the consumption of dark matter, the result of imploding black holes. Thus, each element in the system serves a function to a greater end - to achieve the survival and longest life span for the system, with an inter-connected network of stars and galaxies all functioning as an integral whole, unified by the forces of physics and all known universal laws, and interacting with each other at the Quantum Level, where the mind resides. In this manner, the static elements or bodies of nature are directly influenced by first:

1. Intelligent life.
2. Biological/animal life.

Intelligent life exerts the greatest force of quantum change, as it directly shapes and re-shapes reality by the visualizations at the intelligent life form level, which impart a re-ordering of the probability curve along the new lines or directions as established by the intervening entities. These include all terrestrial as well as celestial forces of intelligence.

Next, biological life, on a lower scale of intelligence, not being in the order of the grand designer, is able to influence the quantum level to a smaller degree, but also combined, produce "significant events", as would be defined by the followers of "Ching" and the like. And the greatest "significant events" become those where global consciousness if focused on one single event, thus producing adjustments in the probability curves that orient themselves gravitating to the significant event points, and bend themselves around the same, re-structuring the future probability curves to a new path.

Thus, philosophy, science, religion, all and of human endeavor, including inspiration, music, arts, can all be better appreciated if one is able to understand and apply this knowledge to their pursuit. Such is the degree of influence, that once one understands how the entire system works, he will be able to re-shape his reality in the same way the master designer is able to shape the entire universe - by thought and word. Thus, visualization, and verbalization become powerful forces, when applied with what some refer to as the "Secret", which is non other then application of this Quantum influence upon the physical world around us.

Thus, the influence one exerts on the greater universe depends on the level that the mind is able to communicate with this greater quantum energy and interact with the same, influencing is patterns of probability curves. The truly great are able to tap into this source of knowledge by their intimate understanding of the central mind and how it is designed to work. It is dynamic and requires also at the same time spiritual development of ones greater senses and faculties which are connected at the planar level to the mind, in the human "holographic experience" we call life. Life, being real, material, physical, is much more then a holographic representation, as the energy takes on real physical form. But to our limited understanding, the holographic model best describes the behavior of the entire system, and man, as a smaller yet most important piece of this entire system of information transfer, becomes also an agent in the manifestation of this universal energy within the realm of human experience. The world, thus, under this view, is a system designed for the exchange of energy in the form of encoded information, with the ultimate realization of the human experience as a greater goal. Thus, man, is placed in the system to experience the beauty of the entire universe and participate/communicate and contemplate the ultimate universal mind and its originator. Life becomes thus an eternal journey of love, of joy, of sharing, of giving, of influencing the matter around us in ways unimaginable, and hereto theorized as a "secret", but that actually go much beyond our imagination.

Thus, science having lost it's way in myriads of theories and ideas, can now find a new theory to test. Even if the 2D planar is not found, or is found to reside beyond the current planar imagined position, the simple development of this concept should allow us to understand, view, study and develop our scientific understanding in ways never before imagined.

This information does not lie in some secret archives, but resides at the quantum level in the universal mind, imparting to all who would embrace it a greater degree of wisdom and understanding.

The ultimate theory may of Grand Unification or may not been have found. Only time will tell. But if it has been found then the most significant event of all modern times could be finally on it's way to being understood.

And science, off on it's own way drinking coffee, is slowly coming to grasp it's implications.

Long life science. Long live discovery. Long live the human mind and the human spirit, which triumphs over all hardships and opposition, when it seeks by means of a constant thirst for the greater perfection.

Long live the universe. Long live Love. This is the greatest gift we have to give.

Long live America the Beautiful......... let us sing together...

And don't worry frightened ones, the ones who scare you will not take this country unless it is so permitted by the higher force. So no need to worry, as the universe is completely balanced and controlled, with man as the ultimate fulfillment of it's perfection.

[justellus]

Ooberman, please also send us (to member justellus) a private message with the links of the different locations/ scientific communities/sites where you posted these theories we presented earlier, as it would be interesting to be able to check their scientific ideas on these subject as well.

Thank you in advance.

[djswan]

It's called primary perception and the Myth Busters BUSTED it.

[justellus]

Zero Point Energy Field

What is the Zero Point Field?

To understand this, one must remember that quantum physicists called the ground state of any oscillating system "zero-point energy". The term “Zero Point Energy”, thus, refers to zero degrees Kelvin. Zero degrees Kelvin equals -214.7483648 degree Fahrenheit, and is accepted as a symbolic representation for the absence of all heat, as in the “vacuum” of space. It is this temperature that we find in a true black body, approximately. So it should correspond roughly to the temperature at the 2D planar as well.

Astrophysicists, following up the work of these quantum physicists researching the roots of inertia, found that the void of deep space is in fact a limitless self-sustaining source of this Zero Point Energy. Zero Point Energy appeared to some astrophysicists to be the most ubiquitous energy in the Universe.

According to this link,

[justellus]

Further Thoughts on the Zero Point Energy Field

The Zero Point Energy Field can thus be seen as the medium for the transfer of instantaneous Quantum Information, which, linked in at the 2D planar, creates the information transfer process necessary for the formation of the quasi holographic field of energy which we find shapes itself according to probability curves and is reflected in the fluctuations of higher energy states, transforming itself at various levels into different particles, the building blocks of matter.

This limitless Zero Point Energy is able also to supply the vacuum with all the dark energy needed to quantify the new spatial boundary and expand its horizons indefinitely , beyond the Zero Point Field at the speed of light. This continuous transformation at the Quantum level is every increasing the boundaries of space and time, and carrying all matter in the universe along it's ride of universal expansion. Thus, time, matter and space, being in constant expansion, this expansion becomes not even perceptible at the experiential level, since it is equal, shared, continuous, uniform and constant over the space/time matter horizon.

The energy transfer process is thus able to transcend the boundaries of space/time, and the quantum events thus take over immediately, in a flash, covering the entire distance of the universe outside the realm of space and time, and transferring the new sub-atomic particles created in the extended boundary into the expanded dimension faster then the speed of light. Thus, light, caught in the grip of space and time, follows a trail of dark Zero Point Energy Field expansion, trailing behind the timeless process in a delay which can be detected in the background uniform radiation. This delay further attracts the existing space time continuum outward, and it's sub-sequent expansion goes on in a never ending process of dark energy absorption and transformation at the quantum level, back into new spacial dimensions of the time frame curve.

Thus, we see that for matter and space to come together in the reality as we know it, the background Zero Point Field must first come together at the 2D planar of information, and thus the information is itself embodied at the quantum level into every known energy process and can be converted back into information by quantum leaps back into the human mind that is connected at this same quantum level to this quantum field of information emanating from the 2D planar.

Thus, coalesced light forms matter and gravity as it finds resistance in this Zero Point Field. As the currents of light cross each other at different angles, the resistance fields take on prevailing directions of resistance, thus creating gravity.

It is these oscillating electromagnetic waves, at the quantum level, that provide the framework and structure for matter. And it is at this quantum level as well that the information transfer process takes over, outside the boundaries of space and time.

These serendipitous new ideas are only further strengthening the hypothesis, when they are compared with the known facts, tests, and experiments being conducted at the highest levels of intelligence, which transcend the material known world and are available at this quantum level of experience.

The equations of let there be light thus began to take on a new dimension of understanding, when they are viewed from the framework of this Zero Point Energy Field.

[justellus]

Studies on CMB, 2D planar temperature, Zero Point Field Temperature

In order to determine the current 2D planar temperature, we can get some clues from CMB.

So, what is the Current CMB Temperature?

If we have the current estimated CMB temperature now from 14 billion years ago, (aprox. 2.7K) what is the current T temperature? It is interesting to see so many studies on CMB, yet few if any mention that this is actually the temperature from 14 million years ago. So what is the temperature of the CMB today? From the studies below, we know it took only 5000 years for the mean temperature to drop 1 degree K, so then what happened after this and what is the current temperature now? This can only be estimated, since we don't know if the universe is heading towards a big rip, or if the cosmological constant is taking over, or if Quintessence is responsible. Further, how could the Zero Point Energy field maintain a temperature constantly below CMB? Particularly since CMB arose prior to the galaxies, thus we can conclude Zero Point Energy followed in the time line and time scale of events. We know then CMB is dropping and most likely levels out at ZPE temperature. This is why this is postulated to be the temperature at the 2D planar. Particularly when quantum events thrive at this low temperature and low pressure area, and the encoding of information thus becomes permanently stored in the traces of paths of quantum encoded photon information. Yet some theories predict that it will go out of range and will be difficult to calculate.

So it will take a long time to observe any changes in CMB. Then at some point, interference from galaxies will take over and de Sitter background will also shield us from observing the CMB. So it's greatest secrets still lay dormant.

[justellus]

Now, keeping in view that the quarks will continue to materialize in a meta state of quasi irrational reversal of thinking, they do not realize the error as well of improper weighing of the information and intent in this body of material knowledge sharing. Looking back one can see they distort the mass of it's contents by constant perturbations of the motion of the information exchange and sharing process. They seek out what only appear as small system discrepancies, due to event mass over weight miss management, leading to a degree of absurdity, over-simplification and mis-representation of event line matters. This intrusive quark behavior is thus disruptive of free information sharing and transfer. Their intermixing and combined mass seems to give them weight, yet the only combined bond they find is to aggregate behavior to attempt to des-stabilize the state of sharing. Therefore their weighing of past events as well lacks the material quantity of understanding. Clearly the "gluons" that bind these "quarks" proceeds from the same intangible lack of understanding of the time-line events that took place in the sequel of information transfer. They now look back as one would see the CMB, as though a reflection of the light through the clouds, rather then the actual time-line events, which occurred prior to their materialization. The aggregated behavior of these various elements demonstrates the same exponential behavior of "dark energy perturbation". However, the understanding of the greater picture is not shaken by these small perturbances. And wisdom has been well served in separating the mass from the anti-mass particles.

Clearly, CMB preceded all information transfer, thus, getting back to the root cause of the system's behavior will reveal the beauty of the inter-working of the system as a whole, and it's various material representations and mental reflections.