Is architecture just an egocentric LIE?

[Arktkt]

Donald

I am disappointed you got personal. I dont understand why you quoted me 3 times when my views are the same. I didnt expect that if i disagree with you will put you on fire and makes it personal, we lost the main heart of th etopic and you got carried away by your ego. Keep the debate around the main topic i.e:architecture -clients-the world. I am optimistic, but i am realistic as well. All what you said is fantasy. I dont know if you worked or had experience in the real world, see facts when it comes to salary- and are you kidding me that the US have good quality architecture and design-evthg is fast developement from the Venturi "DUCK" to CVS-MACYS-GIANT block. This is Mushroom architecture.A MaC-DONALD architecture And you are telling me you see architects in the future leaders?My friend who leads the project, hire the architect and tell you what to do is the Developer-Not the architect. Few good architects were able to get their design go thru with tough developers. Keep on dreaming Donald, you are creating a world of fantasy , this feeling comes from denial of reality and facts.. Face the truth and Yes architecture is having problems. in few years you let me know if you found design satisfaction- and try to be objective in your reply-your whole reply was subjective revolving around my decisions or personal choices, when they were question for debate not for personal comments. Time to be true to yourself. and just for your sake, the bright future of Architects will be "Architect-Developer" this is the new trend that several Magazines are writing about.
ARKTKT

[LeCorbusier]

Artkt "face the real facts on the ground "

We "the pessimist' are often scorned because we paint a bleek picture of the world. But it is in this picture that we see potential. Its not because we dont care, its because we really do care and we want to make it better, but we need to attempt to find the problems and foresee each outcome.

If nothing changes we are screwed. Thats all that their is too it. The damage is done to smalltown USA. It is a hideous place. Everything that we stand for as architects, is in jeopardy because of the shear apathy of the public and no sense of responsibilty on behalf of Developers and Corporations.

If everything changes and there is an appreciation for thoughtful architecture, then we as the pundits will gladly step aside and say we were wrong, and go about living in this better world.
Donald says the future is bright for architects, When will that be? 5 yrs 50 years or 200? But the way things are going I dont see it, besides, its nearly impossible to predict the future.

[Donald]

And arknotkt, you may have hit on something there..."Architect Developer"...so as an architect, of all the professions- the architect, you need to be in the best possible position to seize the inevitability of change and transform its energy into a strategy of enterprise. After all, architects are near the top of the prestige list of all occupations, according to University of Chicago and Money magazine studies. The public sees architects as innovators, problem solvers, and among the most fascinating professionals in the world. That makes us valuable to all the rest of the nonarchitects who are also trying to negotiate the perils of the emerging new world.

For instance, architects are or should be essential to anyone who has money to invest but wants to sweeten the odds of their success in the face of increased risks. Another example? Architects are - or again, should be - indispensable resources to those who want to build and improve the environment. There are more examples, but the point remains the same: There's a large growing pool of potential clients being stirred up by the currents of change....I think its you the dreamer who just hasn't found them as yet.

In todays real world of tight budgets, we find creative ways to deliver increased value. We are building stronger relationships where it matters. We are actually delivering more than we promised our clients. In the changing marketplace, architects who are making change are exploring new ways of being profitable and expanding their business and seraching out new clients. Does this sound like your practice? If not, don't despair. You can either use your energy of change to transform your career....whether its starting out the "architects in despair Group" or joing the Anywhere USA Council for Quality Growth Group.

As LC claims:

[Arktkt]

Quoting LC:
Donald says the future is bright for architects, When will that be? 5 yrs 50 years or 200? But the way things are going I dont see it, besides, its nearly impossible to predict the future.

Donald you forgot to elaborate on this point by Le Corbusier-Plus i dont see any facts, numbers, statistics that backs up your philosophy.You should go beyond your Romanticism with Architecture-It is all theory your statements.

[Architorture]

all the theory of your destiny is in your hands.... i don't think you need a whole lot of emperical data to prove that fact...

the proof is in all of those people who are doing good design on their terms... those people certainly exist and i'm sure if you asked them they would say they are successful and happy...and they probably have themselves to thank for that