Intelligent Design

[P.C.]

It is nice to hear these words , as Fun is what make the best drive for creativity, it's funny to create something nice to know the results beforehand and funny to realise everything allway's work out as planned. Fun make you happy and happy architecture is something of the most valuable architecture , and those who create it, must have a lot of fun doing it.

------- Still there are people who don't know the difference between dirty fun and creative fun , they are the ones who misunderstood compleatly, what fun and happiness is about.

[djswan]

I have been reading the dictionary. Not just looking up definitions but reading the dictionary. Very enlightening. I have been reading a physics book too. I'm nominating myself for the nerd of the of month club.

Law comes from log. Logs comes from trees. Trees are logical.

Is it logical that a problem comes first?

The universe starts out as a problem.

Or do problems arise from events?

[djswan]

I solve problems by building a jig. Hmmmmm

Derek

[mx2]

[usarender]

This page and the various links there will answer your question -->>

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/

and -->>

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/atheists_riddle.htm

There you will find much information and evidence, including the "pattern language" involved in the intelligent design of the universe.

(The attached article is a sample of the type of information found there, i.e., "Pattern Language" is one of them.)

Here, in this attached article, you find the language of DNA, similar to the road to finding the language of architecture, that we have been discussing in related threads.

Some interesting topics on this page -->>

(All these below followed by the links in the original site above)

Perry Marshall vs. 30+ Skeptics:

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/iidb.htm

From August 2005 to the present, I have successfully advanced the Information Theory argument for Intelligent Design on Infidels, the world’s largest atheist discussion board.

Perry's 25 page paper The Case for Intelligent Evolution in PDF:

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/intelligent_evolution.pdf

Naturalism's gaping hole and a revised view of Darwin using Google AdWords as an example; and radical new implications for evolutionary theory.

Experiment with the Random Mutation Generator (opens in a new window).

http://www.randommutation.com/

Paste text into the box and MUTATE it! A useful tool you can play with that visually demonstrates that random mutation can only destroy information, not create it

Other Interesting Articles:

If You Can Read This, I Can Prove God Exists -

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm

The same communication technology that gave us our modern digital age shows that language is proof of the existence of God, and that all evolution is driven by intelligent processes

Q&A about DNA and Information Theory -

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/infotheoryqa.htm

Frequently Asked Questions on what the information sciences tell us about God

New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God -

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

A landmark presentation by Dr. Hugh Ross on the convergence of modern astronomy with ancient theology.

[mx2]

uhhhhh...somehow my post flew over everyone's head. I wasn't asking the question. I was illustrating the point that the question and the subject being discussed are contradictory. Either this thread is/was about the "original" design of all things (a metaphysical question) or the science of architecture (a physical question). Which is it? And if by some odd chance someone wants to argue that it is both, then they ought to first address the contradiction, otherwise all of this is just babble with no point to it...

mx2.5

[djswan]

Thanks for some good input. Mx2.

I'm back on earth too. The construction industry is no picnic, in the real world, for anyone in it.

It looking like we are stuck hear on earth for awhile. If things go great we have about another 500 million years before the really big changes happen, according to science. I'm just worried about the next hundred, according to science.

I'm not a fan of armegeddon. We try to avoid it if necessary.

[usarender]

[djswan]

I've got so far,

1) Event
2) Chaos
3) Order

Still working on the rest.

All input welcome.

Thanks

Derek

[usarender]

A Huge Chasm between the world of chaos and the world of design

From the article cited above
"ifyoucanreadthis.pdf"

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm

"Is DNA more like stalactites and stalagmites and tornadoes and hurricanes and snowflakes and fractals? Or is DNA more like music, maps, computer programs and Chinese?

It’s definitely in the second category. Absolutely there is no question about it. So what we have here is that between the world of chaos and patterns and the world of designs and information there is a huge chasm. A huge chasm. The pattern of DNA is not like a language. It is a language. By any formal definition of language it is a language.

Chaos, fractals and natural processes do not produce languages or codes.
Now usually if people try to disagree with this, this is where they try to disagree. I had a guy say “No, DNA isn’t a language or a code, it’s just a molecule.” So I looked up Watson and Crick who discovered DNA, they got the Nobel Prize for it. I surfed the internet and the first thing I found was James Watson’s Nobel prize acceptance speech. And the very first paragraph of his speech talks about the genetic code. Code, language, same thing.

DNA is a language. The DNA molecule itself is an encoding decoding system.

This is the core problem with a naturalistic philosophy of materialistic science: Matter and energy all by themselves cannot produce information.

Norbert Weiner, who is considered the father of cybernetics, was a mathematician at MIT an absolutely brilliant guy and he made this statement. He said
“Information is information, neither matter nor energy. Any materialism that fails to take account of this will not survive one day.”

Matter, Energy and Information are three Distinct Entities

Information cannot be created without intent. There are no examples of information that is created without intent. You have to have the dimension of intent or will, which is a property of a conscience mind, in order to have any kind information. Otherwise all you have is chaos. All you have is tornadoes and hurricanes and stalactites and stalagmites and snowflakes. But you do not have any kind of language whatsoever.

So the problem with a materialistic, atheistic philosophy or belief is there is no way to explain where the language of DNA came from. Because all codes, all languages, all encoding, decoding systems come from a mind. No exceptions.

The essential distinction between pattern and design is language
• Fundamental Property of all Designs: Idea precedes Implementation
• Idea must be represented by language
• All language comes from a mind

The essential distinction betweens patterns and designs is language. Patterns don’t have languages, but designs do. So the fundamental property of all designs is that an idea precedes the implementation of the idea.

The idea exists in a symbolic form before it’s physically built. An idea, in order to exist, has to be represented by a language. Even to have an idea in your mind you have to talk to yourself and have images in your mind of what you want to do before you do it. So we know this:

• Ideas always precede implementation, always, no exceptions.
• All languages come from a mind. No exceptions.
• There are no languages that do not come from a mind.
• So we know that DNA was designed.
• A mind designed DNA, therefore God exists."

This programming created the framework for intelligent evolution or adaptation of the species. A programed basis for ordered mutations.

The ideas that preceded all language.

The form behind all function.

The reason behind all meaning.

The intelligence before all matter.

The language that creates the energy, that results in the light, the form, the matter, the codes, the genetic engineering, the language that makes up our universe.

The need for establishing a LANGUAGE of architecture has been established.

LANGUAGE, the basis of all design.

[djswan]

This thread appears to be an example of cognitive dissonance.

In my first three words, form does not yet exist. In case your a wondering, but that can be debated too.

I might have to pull some Carl Sagan quotes. or Darwin. Einstien lost the debate, when quantum mechanics came around. But he did define an event. I hope Albert found his perfection, but I have my doubts. I have Albert's "event" at #1

Does a perfection exist in science?

I looked up architecture, nature, and God in the dictionary. Interesting definitions. The Greek and Romans gave us a bunch of good words.

Next: Ying and Yang

Derek

[P.C.]

Listen --- what has Darvin to do in an architect fora , why are religious groups allowed to rob the term "inteligent design" ; I guess americans only understand that term from a particular religious groups' need for hate pictures, but "inteligent design" is other things was other things, before both Design and inteligense became part of the hate picture.

There are plenty of religious groups out on the web to discuss these issues, and realy I find discussions about god and darvin most off-topic .

Please do not make this fora into a religious marked place, it's allready difficult enough to keep away the bored usenet trolls who time after time slender past , just to harras some nice guy while that is their only joy in life, if religion now become a subject , then just wait untill the rest of the staff from alt. politics. again have a look at the discussions here

[usarender]

Djswan asked the question, nobody else did. One cannot define the origin of the universe without believing in some type of beginning, some type of explanation. Now, why is it that if one doesn't accept that everything could exist from nothing with no intelligence involved, then one is obliged to not discuss intelligent creation? Immediately one becomes reactive of this?

As Djswan stated -->>

[djswan]

Back on topic.

Just looking for answers that's all. No Trolling.
I'm about done with my journey. It ends here on this forum and this topic. Then I'll go back to timberframing.

Can we all agree that nature exist? The question becomes when did nature begin. I've said before that nature is order. Feel free to correct me when I'm wrong.

Events cause chaos
Order is born of chaos What law established order?

[usarender]

Design is not born from chaos. There is a tremendous gap between chaos and design, as shown in the links above. Did you read them?

Further, is a law a language? If so, then it is related to a design. And this tremendous gap between design and chaos goes on.

What is the difference between order and design? Can there be some order in chaos?

Is DNA a language? Is it chaotic?

Can chaos create a design?

What is the difference between design and chaos?

The links above deal with all these issues.

The problem is nobody is reading the book of order. The order of the universe. Order from chaos under a controlled intelligent design.

Food for thought.